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RBN spotting FT8 signals

June 15, 2018 By Dan KB6NU 4 Comments

The Reverse Beacon Network (RBN) has started experimenting with spotting FT8 signals. Their results are yet another indication of how FT8 is taking over the HF bands.

Here’s the announcement that they recently published to RBN node ops and users:

As some may be aware, we’ve been debating for some time about whether the RBN should handle FT8 spots.  A few weeks, ago, several prolific RBN nodes began spotting FT8 signals, using the combination of WSJT-X and an unreleased Aggregator, version 5.  The purpose of this limited Alpha test was to get a feel for the load and other implications of carrying FT8 spots on the RBN; it has been very revealing.

The most striking characteristic of FT8 spots is their sheer quantity.  Here are some weekday statistics from one of the US testers:

23-May

  • CW 4294 14%
  • RTTY 69  0.22%
  • FT8  26318  86%
  • Total 30681

24-May

  • CW  4370  13%
  • RTTY  46  0.14%
  • FT8  29298  87%
  • Total  33714

Whether due to the startling popularity of the new mode, or to the ability to spot stations at 22 dB below the noise level, it seems obvious that adding FT8 spots to our spot flow could have a huge impact on the infrastructure of the RBN.  These numbers suggest that if only 20-30 RBN nodes added FT8 spots, those spots could outnumber the total CW and RTTY spots being delivered by the 140-150 nodes currently active on the network, doubling the total required throughput.

We frankly don’t know whether the RBN servers will be up to the task, so we decided we had better find out before the fall contest season is upon us.  Accordingly, we are taking the following steps on a Beta test basis:

  1.  Effective immediately, the RBN’s current spot feed (telnet,reversebeacon.net port 7000) will be repurposed to handle only CW and RTTY spots. telnet.reversebeacon.net port 7001 will be set up for FT8 spots only.
  2. Operators of “retail” DX clusters are encouraged to offer the option of RBN spots with and without FT8 spots, as they now often give users a choice between spot streams with and without “Skimmer” spots.
  3. A Beta test version of Aggregator Version 5 that can handle FT8 spots received from WSJT-X will be made available on the RBN web site, along with instructions on how RBN node-ops can configure their nodes to spot FT8 on one or multiple bands.  Note, please, that doing so will not interfere with your ability to continue spotting CW and RTTY.

We will closely monitor how the RBN servers handle this new load, as more and more nodes begin sending FT8 spots.  We also reserve the right to take steps as necessary to protect the core mission of the RBN, including shutting off the FT8 stream on major CW and RTTY contest weekends or, in an extreme case, discontinuing spotting of FT8 altogether.  Even in a worst case scenario, FT8 spots will continue to be carried by PSKReporter.

We hope we’re not doing this in a vacuum.  The RBN team has been collecting the views of contesters and DXers on this, and we hope that we’re headed in the right direction.  Feel free to let us know what you think of this experiment.

73,

The RBN Team (KM3T, N4ZR, PY1NB, SV5SJ, W3OA)

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Comments

  1. Steve C - W8SFC says

    June 16, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    Just curious, but how does this affect the available bandwidth for other than FT8 traffic?
    Is this load the ham equivalent of LOLs and ROTFLs or is it actual legitimate amateur radio traffic?
    Another question I have about this is will this traffic load be tolerated by FCC or will they at some point take measures to control it?

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  2. Bob K0NR says

    June 16, 2018 at 3:33 pm

    Huh, maybe that 22 dB makes a difference?

    Reply
  3. Dave New, N8SBE says

    June 18, 2018 at 11:23 am

    I was looking at the CW end of the 20 meter band yesterday evening from the Midwest US. My quad was pointing south, for lack of a better direction at that moment, and there were essentially no CW signals showing above the waterfall noise floor on my Elecraft P3.

    On the other hand, there were a number of LOUD FT8 signals showing, some S9 or higher, clearly showing that the band was indeed open, and not just to -22 dB folks.

    I’ve seen this more and more recently, where a band appears dead, but the FT8 folks are just banging away at high signal levels (at my station location), but no one is trying to make CW or SSB contacts.

    My take would be that if the FT8 signals are that loud, that quite likely I could make a few contacts on some of the non-digital modes.

    Of course, YMMV.

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  4. Gary Nations - N5KDA says

    June 18, 2018 at 8:38 pm

    This is INSANE !!! 6 meters is WIDE open with E skip. The weakest signals are S7 the best are 20db over S9. Are people on SSB or CW? No, they are on FT8 where you can make one Q/min at best (maybe less with a good op that short cuts). Why? Are new hams that mic shy? Don’t get me wrong, I love FT8! It’s a great weak signal mode and qso’s can be had when CW or SSB would be tough. However, when band conditions are good to great, GET ON SSB!!!

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